Why Give a Damn:

8 hours of work + 8 hours of play + 8 hours of sleep. Repeat. Repeat. Is this the portrait of a balanced life painted in your mind? Read this post to learn why seeking a life of convergence, instead of balance, could serve you better.

The author of this post, Daniel Epstein, has founded and run multiple Unreasonable companies, including the Unreasonable Institute and Unreasonable Group. Striving to lead a life of convergence has been crucial as he continues to work 100+ hour weeks for years on end.

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The typical formula, when I ask people to paint a portrait for a balanced day, is a day made up of 8 hours of work, 8 hours of play, and 8 hours of sleep. There’s a clear split between life at work, life at home, life with friends. There’s a clear split between weekdays and weekends. This to me though, feels like a bifurcated life. What if, instead of balance, and separation of the different components of our lives, we pursued convergence? What if the work you did made you a better mother or father, what if your work gave meaning to your life? Let me give you a quick example of how I think of convergence in my own daily life.

You would think that spending half a work day on phone calls would be draining, but because I’m converging many things that I love, this actually gives me energy.

On an average day I have 10 – 12 phone call meetings (which is 5-6 hours of straight meetings). Rather than taking these meetings indoors and in an office, I take them while hiking in the foothills of Boulder, with my dog at my side and the Colorado sunshine on my face. You would think that spending half a work day on phone calls would be draining, but because I’m converging many things that I love, these phone calls actually give me energy. I end up walking upwards of 10 miles a day, having conversations with amazing people, talking about how we can collectively put a dent on tough challenges and all the while, I’m in a beautiful place with my dog and she is as happy as a dog can be.

A more general approach to this, is thinking about the type of career you want to step into. Why take a job that just makes you money, or one that you are good at and makes you money, or even one that you love doing, that makes you money, and that you are good at? I’d challenge anyone who is fortunate enough to have the opportunity to choose their profession to not settle for any of the above mentioned career paths. Instead, find yourself a career in which you can make a living, in which you can be amongst the best in the world at what you do, in which you love the people you work with, and in which, most notably, you desperately believe in the value you are creating in the world through your work. This to me isn’t the pursuit of a balanced life, it is, rather, the pursuit of a life at a nexus of what matters most to you. It is the pursuit of convergence over balance. Don’t settle.

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About the author

Daniel Epstein

Daniel Epstein

Daniel has an obsession. He believes to his core in the potential of entrepreneurship to solve the greatest challenges of this century and he has dedicated his life accordingly. Today, he is the founder of the Unreasonable Group, of the Unreasonable Institute and a number of other "Unreasonable" companies.

  • jbrycewilson

    Since moving to Boulder I’ve now heard from multiple individuals this concept of convergence. I like the idea of hiking during phone meetings and applying the old adage of killing two birds with one stone. I definitely have lived to date with a ‘balance’ mentality. It has worked for me somewhat, but I can pinpoint times that this structure has left me highly stressed at times. I’m going to try and identify and implement areas in my life that I can converge, which in turn I think will limit my stress; or at least spread projects out over an increased amount of time which should relieve the pressure of the stress.

  • greatelk

    I like how many young professionals’ lifestyles are slowly becoming less about working a certain amount and then going out or home. Many aspects of our lives start to blur together. This isn’t always good, but I think your article and advice can help people who feel stagnated.

  • cameruca4

    Convergence is an interesting concept especially when you consider the fact that most young professionals have been raised on the principle of creating a balanced life. As a Boulder resident convergence is something you hear a lot about and see many people working towards. That said Boulder is a community of 100,000 unique individuals, so it will be interesting to see how if the idea of convergence can spread to larger cities with a more diverse base of professional backgrounds.

  • I like this article. I feel like pursuing a life of balance is more so pursuing a life of conformity. i was actually just thinking this morning when i woke up that i want my business venture to give me the ability to sleep when i want not be relegated to “when it gets dark”. I also like where He said, “…most notably, you desperately believe in the value you are creating in the world through your work.” This is only fueled by purpose and passion. there is a difference in living life and just existing and i believe that convergence is LIVING! Good read!

  • Shih Chi Tseng

    I think most of people will like to have a balance life, which they have settle everything equally. However, I agree that convergence is more important than balance,because I am the person who want to invest more time in what I like and love. So I think convergence will really worth for me to try.

  • TallPaul14

    This article was an interesting read. It’s always difficult to find a job like the one you describe above. It is possible, but can seem very difficult at times. I haven’t had the luxury of having the complete package yet, but I strive to have it someday. Everyone usually tells you that the balance is the most important part of work and life, but I haven’t ever heard of convergence taking that spot yet. It’s an interesting idea to keep in mind as I pursue future jobs.

  • Michelle Spruch

    I really enjoyed reading this article. Work-life balance is such a buzzword, but the idea of “converging” hobbies like hiking into your work day sounds like a great way to stay energetic and empowered at work.

  • Matthew McDonald

    I think this is awesome. So many times I’ve heard that I should do what I love, and this gives new meaning to that. It is interesting to consider doing what you love 5-7 days a week. It makes it different, certainly. It really has to be something that drives you. Convergence is an interesting way to put it. I hear through something I follow that we tend to separate our life into “work life,” “personal life,” etc., and it would be interesting to just consider our whole life as one. Cool article.

  • clemonsel02

    I found this blog important to my own life because I am in college and in process of making a life for myself. I found this blog to be inspiring. I completely agree with this idea of convergence. I would much rather, in my own life, choose a job that I love and am going to be happy doing rather than a job that will make me a lot of money. I agree with the idea of convergence. The fact that you can go for a hike while talking on the phone. I think more people should take this advice and do something you love while doing something that might not be the most fun activity in the world. I think converging your life will make you want to do the things that you have to do and make them into things you want to do. I was wondering how you would go about achieving this if you were already set in your career? What if you were older and already had got a degree in something you do not like but make money that supports your family? Would you agree that you should change your career or simply add things you love into things you may not like about your job?

  • cordierm

    it sounds like a really nice way to bring everything together. It is really difficult finding a career that will facilitate convergence but having that ability to meld things that you care about would be incredible and save you from burn-out

  • nguyenb7

    When I was a kid, I wanted to do something with games like playing videos for the rest of my life and get paid for it. But then I stopped playing game because my family said it’s bad for me (and I realized it too). Then later on I figured whether or not I should become an athlete of play sports (or music instruments) for a living because they’re ultimately good for me. But sports come with injuries (and I am not trained/built for it anyway) and musician usually doesn’t make much of a living (and I am not passionate about it either). Currently, I am in a state of youth that’s desperate to make a living and figuring out how to stand out in this society. I have many thoughts of what I can do to get there but most of them are something I don’t enjoy doing. Thanks to your article now that I realize :”maybe I haven’t looked enough, search enough and think enough” for there’re always options and alternatives. Thanks

  • Brian Tanudjaja

    Nice article Daniel! I think that this article kind of relates with the Gandhi article 2 weeks ago. When you find a job that you love and good at doing at it, you will be able to work for hours without being stressed and can even consider working as a form of playing. I always think that the 8 hours balance is the absolute rule of life. Thank you for sharing the “convergence” method.

  • Jane Park

    I’m not sure if I’m imagining this, but I feel like millennials are generally more likely to want to thoroughly enjoy their work/ work where they love. We don’t want to be stuck in a job where we are unhappy (happiness being a factor that our parents or grandparents perhaps made less of a priority in comparison to things like salary/stability); all the comments for this post seem to state such an opinion. It’s interesting that as much as we end up “loving” the job that we end up with, however, we still get so excited about Fridays/ weekends (speaks to how we’re simply trying to *balance* our work/personal lives)! We should definitely trying converging instead– thanks, Daniel!

  • kristinwagner32

    This blog is very inspiring to me right now in my life since I am in the process of being a college student and choosing my career. I love your idea with convergence. Ever since I started thinking about my career and what I wanted to do with my life I always told myself it is not worth doing if you do not absolutely love it. However starting out my job may not be the best out there, but I can make it the best and make me the best employee. I love your story and how you took an “ordinary” in which people would think is normal of a job into something so inspiring along with bettering yourself. Take the bad and make it wonderful!

  • Claudya Febriani

    I will definitely enjoy my job more if I’m happy with my co-worker or employees as well as the work environment. I always love to connect with people and the environment aside from working on something I have passionate about.

  • Nicoloffa

    This article tells precisely what makes our day-to-day lives so redundant. I am immediately thinking of how to enrich my daily tasks such as attending classes and work, but more so how to apply this way of life to my future career. To someday become a personal trainer, I feel that it could be fairly simple to incorporate my love of the outdoors into my profession, and even get my family members involved in group sessions! With that said, do you ever find yourself becoming overloaded with combining tasks at a single time? For example; you are so busy with phone calls for work that you fail to appreciate the small wonders of Mother Nature during your hikes.
    Thank you for treating my brain to this fresh view of life!

  • Morgan Dowd

    This is an inspiring way to not settle. Life should not be a settlement! Being truly creative with all aspects of life can bring tons of happiness. Some people say to keep work and play separate at all costs. But if work and play were the same thing, wouldn’t that be the ultimate source of personal peace?

  • CateRob

    The word CONVERGENCE is brilliant! To use the word multi-task feels burdening, but convergence is purposeful and powerful. Building a career around this idea is quite worthy.

  • ohtanim

    Daniel I think you make a great point that we should be pursuing convergence over balance. But when I think of balance, I think of attempting to fit in all my everyday activities that I want to accomplish and finding the time to do so. With the idea of convergence I think of bringing all the everyday activities that we want to accomplish and having them overlap with one another because they can be accomplished by doing so. Like in your example, you had work time and personal time come together. Collectively these two activities made you a more efficient and happier person. But for me, sometimes I feel that creating these separations also allows us to enjoy the separate entities of our lives.

  • chrinsmas

    I really enjoyed this article. As a senior student in college, I sometimes think whether I want to compromise where I can easily reach or take a risk and find where I want to be. It is always hard choice, but now the most important thing is where and what my passion for.

  • I totally agree. It’s a bit of a paradox (As most things are) but I think that there are times when you also just need white space and separation. Hence the article I wrote last week on “Sharpening Your Axe” – http://unreasonable.is/opinion/what-the-worlds-greatest-lumberjack-can-teach-you-about-balance/

  • totally agree. I kind of hate the word-multi-tasking and I really don’t like what it represents

  • sometimes… yes and of course. That said, most of the time, I find that I can be very present while in these moments of “convergence.” Occasionally though, I just need to be in nature by myself and without any technology. I spoke to this a bit in this post last week (http://unreasonable.is/opinion/what-the-worlds-greatest-lumberjack-can-teach-you-about-balance/)

  • it’s not always as easy as the phone call + walking my dog in the mountains example… but I think it is something to always strive for (with the expectation that sometimes it won’t work out as perfectly =)

  • an interesting TED talk that speaks to the other side of the conversation as well – http://new.ted.com/talks/mike_rowe_celebrates_dirty_jobs

  • I completely agree that it’s very difficult… and nothing is perfect and sometimes things won’t work out. That said, I think our North Star should be leaning towards convergence (it may be a destination though that we never fully realize)

  • great questions @clemonsel02:disqus! These types of decisions are hard to make when other people are relying on you (especially your family). I think this is why having a mid-life crisis is something we almost expect here in the US. The beauty of where you currently sit in life (and I do as well) is that we are young enough to plan out and work towards a career that won’t lead to a mid-life crisis 30 years from now. That said, if you are mid-way through your career and you don’t love it, then I think you should moonlight on what you love and eventually, hopefully you can turn that passion into a full time opportunity. That said, I also think that sometimes you just have to make the best of the situation you are in… (as is evidenced in this TED talk I watched earlier today http://new.ted.com/talks/mike_rowe_celebrates_dirty_jobs)

  • to be clear… it’s still difficult =)

  • agreed. we live in a bit of a bubble and it’s important to acknowledge that

  • I think this article was maybe too simplistic. As I think that actually, some things in life warrant balance and others convergence. That said, identifying the points of convergence is a really beautiful exercise!

  • layj

    Personally, I don’t think the pursuit of convergence over balance suits me. I don’t think I could converge my work and leisure time together. It would be so much more out-of-the-place if I have to take phone call meetings while I’m at the beach relaxing. To me being under pressure is a challenge and it keeps me going. Being under pressure is a motivation to strive for the better, and that made me so much more productive. I always think that life begins at the end of our comfort zone. Great article though!

  • AmandaBrom

    Being in college you are always told to do something you love, or that makes you happy. After reading your article I agree. I think yes you should do something that you love, but you make a great point about pursing convergence into your life. This article points out many different aspects in my life right now. I am a student athlete who also works part- time. Often times I get so busy trying to balance everything that I forget to stop and look around. How did you decided to take your phone calls on the trails? Was it an idea you had long before or something you thought of after many days in the office? I strongly agree that settling will never get you complete happiness in your life. Thank you for the great read!

  • kristinwagner32

    Of course! Thank you Daniel, great blog.

  • Grantrobinson15

    I think this is the goal that we should all strive for but may be harder to reach than many might think. I am in college currently and with all of the pressures of society and parents telling you to get jobs at big corporations, it is hard to diverge from the norm and create a sense of convergence in your life. I definitely think if you have the chance to go your own way and not just sit at a desk your whole life, you should strive for convergence. However, as stated below, if you are in a career where you have others dependent on your consistent job then you are in a tough spot.

  • Amanda Laatsch ?

    I love the point of this article. I think convergence should be everyone’s ultimate goal in life. I loved the point you made about choosing a career that you love rather than one that makes you a ton of money. Money isn’t everything. If you are wealthy in love and experiences, that makes you much richer than any billionaire out there. You take your job elsewhere, like outside, but for some people that is nearly impossible. There are people who have to sit at a desk all day, and can’t converge work with something they love such as hiking, which is unfortunate. But that only makes you hope that they truly enjoy what they are doing.

  • AndreaBehling

    Daniel, thanks for the food for thought. You caught my attention with your discontent in finding a job that is something you love to do, pays well and you’re good at. I mean, isn’t that what our parents have been encouraging us to find since middle school? Isn’t the 8x8x8 model something to strive for?

    I applaud you for not glorifying this societal norm and forcing your readers to think about life more holistically. But I’m struggling a bit with this concept, and bear with me, I’m brand new to unreasonable.is.

    My question is—What about the blue collar workers? Or the people who don’t necessarily love their jobs, but know they’re making a difference in the work they do? I’ll use my mother as an example. She’s a nurse practitioner and deals with life and death every day. She makes it a point not to bring her work home with her. She’s got the biggest heart out of anyone I know and genuinely loves her patients, so I’m not sure how she does it. Compartmentalization is key in her life, but technology is constantly whispering “convergence” in her ear. She now has a work iPhone that she carries with her 24/7 and is always connected to email.

    This is the aspect of convergence that scares me. If your personal life and work are connected, where do you draw the line? Not everyone has the luxury of having a job that is personally satisfying on multiple levels, so is it still OK to take off the “work” hat sometimes in order to enjoy a different aspect of your life?

  • Cory Zaeske

    I think that the concept of convergence is not only a brilliant one but an intriguing one as well. If one can find a way to complete painful tasks (such as 5 hours of phone calls per day) and do something enjoyable at the same time, it will make for a very long career and a very successful career. The one thing I don’t understand about this post is why would you not encourage someone to choose a career that they love, that makes them money, and that they are good at? Those to me seem like the stepping stones to a successful career. I do understand the concept however, just not that one point.

  • SamanthaSesnon

    This article makes me think of the article about finding your purpose in life. One should do things that give them energy rather than drain them, and I see in this article, you can do something that is a little more energizing while doing what is require by the job.

  • milburnkatie

    This is a great follow-up to your post about the lumberjack story! Working in retail does not give me much freedom to get out and do something I really enjoy while working, but I think I can easily apply this to my school work. My classes are all interesting, otherwise I would have chosen another major, and there are plenty of ways I can make my homework a little more enjoyable. I live right on the beach so why not take my homework outside or start discussions with friends based on topics that I am writing papers about to get ideas flowing? Thank you for sharing this!

  • Cassie135

    This idea very inspiring and I think it is definitely the ideal situation. However, I think that having a job that you love, that you are good at, and makes you good money is also a way of “convergence”.

  • BartuchGR11

    I found this blog to be useful because it showed me that I can have a lifestyle that is more convergent and not so balanced. For example, I am a college student and I spend a lot of time doing homework. Therefore, I could be more convergent by maybe doing some studying while I am going for a walk which I love to do for enjoyment. I completely agree with your blog about convergence and I do think as a society we are more balanced. The author gave a great example of how to be more convergent. Do you think as a society we can change and become more convergent?

  • Bill Shrum

    Daniel, I love the concept and agree that having the work/play elements of your day blur can make the entire thing much more engaging and thought-provoking. That being said, I think it is important to have times where you can engage with your work by choice and not out of necessity. Not drawing clear boundaries might lead people to find a bifurcated experience more productive.

  • Jennifer Lynn

    This blog truly makes you think about what you want from your life and the path you are currently on. If people look at this blog closely I think they can find true meaning in their careers, home lives, and in the time they really get to spend with friends and family. Although I am sure we would not all be as fortunate as to be able to hike for hours a day and still be working we might find a way to enjoy the work we do and are doing. My father has been a farmer his entire life and I believe he truly finds joy in fixing a tractor or feeding the cattle every morning. I would ask Daniel how he found a job or career that seemed so perfect for him? As a college student I often question which career path I am destined to take or if I would rather just work outside rather than in a classroom.

  • amykahl8

    I am a Physical Education major and therefore a lot of people question my motives of wanting to pursue a teaching career. I am aware that teaching won’t earn me a fortune but I want to do something that I will enjoy. I love the saying “if you love your job you won’t work a day in your life”. I couldn’t imagine living a life where I hated going to work everyday. What advice would you give to people who have a job in mind they’d love to do but don’t know if they would make it financially?

  • I totally see a split between weekdays and weekends. I’ve always hear the saying, “you need to have a work life balance,” but convergence is a new concept to me. It’s really cool that your meetings consist of hiking, sun, and playing with your dog. I will definitely keep that in mind of the future!

  • mcniffm

    The type of job that you love, make great money, and are in a position to be the best that you can be is Ideal for everyone I would image. I agree that you shouldn’t settle for the job that just gets you by but really go after a job that you are passionate about and that drives and motivates you everyday. However, some people do have to settle for things that get them by but I just hope that they are still striving for that ideal job as an ultimate goal. I just landed a job for Disney, and I hope that this brings me that convergence of what I feel is important in a job.

  • katie bartlein

    This blog portrays a wonderful message. In order to enjoy all aspects of life, we have to let go of the things that are holding us back from it. I think a great way to enjoy work, is to enjoy what you do! It also helps when the people you surround yourself with, are people you enjoying being around. Although a great message, it might be difficult for everybody. It would be difficult in some occupations to walk ten miles while taking business calls. Sometimes a person might have to write things down, remember things, or keep focus on the conversation at hand. If a person is able to take the ‘separate’ parts of their life and converge them, they could lead a much happier life.

  • IndartoEpriladinata

    Of course I will be bored if my routines consist of 8 hours
    of work, 8 hours of play, and 8 hours of sleep. I agree that we should do
    something different from what most of the people do as their routines and enjoy
    what we are doing so that it can give a huge impact for others.

  • Jen McKiernan

    This article is very relevant to my life at the moment. I am a junior in college so I am currently trying to decide on my future career. People keep telling me to enjoy college because once I get into the “real world” all I will be doing is working. It’s inspiring to see you take your job and make it into something that you really enjoy. Has the convergence of work and play ever ruined one of your favorite activities because you then started to just associate it with work?

  • jrmsmlbg

    As a graduating senior this quarter in Management, I agree with what many have said that it will be hard to find a career that will allow for convergence. Especially straight out of college, I will almost take any opportunity to continue my growth and development in my career. But I look forward to getting to a point in my career where using convergence will allow me to give myself more energy in the things that I do. Being able to make a living, be among the best at what I do, around people I love to work with, and believing in the value that I create in the world.

  • Rebecca Kahler

    I really enjoyed reading the article. I think of the relationship between the concepts as a close but not exact match. For example, if you achieve convergence in life, you essentially have achieved balance, you have achieved the level of all activities that you were looking to complete. However, the relationship does not go the other way around.

  • Samantha Tran

    Someone once told me that life only goes by fast if you keep it routine. You can enjoy it more when you try new things and keep it interesting. I found this point resonated with the article. Thanks for the insightful article!

  • susantok

    Great post Daniel!!! I agree with you to seek convergence rather than balance. I personally felt that someone should pursue what is his passion and I felt that someone who pursue his passion can do well and enjoy simultaneously his life and job.

  • nguye107

    I like your idea of pursuing a life of convergence over balance and I’m sure this is every college freshman’s dream. When I first started college, I dreamed of getting a job that I love doing after graduating. However, as it comes close to my senior year, I’ve realized that pursuing your dream job isn’t easy as it looks like. It’s true that I want a balanced life; however, it’s even better if I am capable of creating a life of convergence for myself. But you know, it’s difficult.

  • cynthiapryor

    I love this idea! This way, we are not dreading part of our day. We can find joy throughout the entire day. I think this is especially important now, in an age that we spend a lot of our time, mentally and physically at work. We should enjoy our time, no matter what we are doing.

  • Stephen Chandra Owen

    Enjoying your job is very important nowadays. Workers get easily stressed and bored because of their daily routine in the workplace. However, I felt that if workers can enjoy what they did, they can produce better quality products and it also helped them to enjoy life.

  • thangha

    Getting a job is already hard, getting a job that you love is even harder. Most of us target in the job the can offer us a high paycheck without realizing we do not really like the job. Daniel you are lucky that you are working for the job you love. I agree that we should pursuit convergence over balance. If people aim for pursuing balance, they will have a limit in using their time to accomplish other activities.

  • Liemd

    Rather than 8 hours for each of them, I would prefer doing 8 hours of work that I enjoy doing it, 6 hours of spending time with people around you, and 10 hours of sleep and rest. I think that’s how I want to balance my work, social life, and personal life.

  • omholtj

    Really inspiring article, Daniel! Being a college student, there is so much pressure from family and society to choose a career path that will be most profitable in order to create a comfortable life in which you can support yourself. Many of us have such a skewed view of what income they need in order to sustain a certain lifestyle. Instead, we should be focusing on what makes us enjoy life 24/7, not what can make up happiest depending on which 8 hour segment we are currently in.

  • lamt5

    Learning to blend what originally are thought of as separate spheres is such an interesting concept. I am always struggling to find time to fit everything I need/want to do into my day (work, exercise, time with friends, etc…). But you’ve made a great point that these things don’t all require their own separate portions of the day to be completed. I need to reflect on what I can start to blend together and see how I can optimize the way I live life.

  • tayler_schroeder

    I love the idea of convergence over balance and doing things you love. I feel like, as a graduating senior, it is difficult at first because you just want to get your foot in the door where ever you can. However, I think it is important as you development your experience to pursue convergence in your life rather than settling for a balance.

  • John Darrow

    Interesting post so thank you for taking the time to share it. When considering my options after leaving college I have always wanted to be great at what I am going to do. It’s how I have approached most things in my life that I really care about. It’s not that I don’t necessarily agree with your overall consensus at the end of the article, but rather I have considered going to work everyday and not enjoying what I do. I’m just one of those people that believes that all of us were put on this earth to be great and contribute in some way. It’s my belief that if we can figure what this is during our lifetime and achieve it then we have truly lived to our potential.

  • Tim Rutkowski

    This article brings up a great point that most people think you have to follow the norms to get by or succeed in life when in reality its the new and unorthodox why is usually the way that ends up working the best. Talking the business calls while doing something you love is a wonder idea. What I don’t understand is how would an educator outside of physical education combine play and work at the same time? I will say I’ve a few articles this past week from you Daniel, and I find them very interesting.

  • Sara Sanchez

    It really comes down to how committed people are to pursue a
    convergence of their social life and career, especially during job interviews
    and/or promotions. People will have to emphasize the need of this convergence
    (i.e. going on hikes while taking conference calls). Unfortunately, most entry-level
    positions will not accept these kinds of requests. I do not think this option
    of convergence will be available until promoted in an upper-rank position.
    Nevertheless, there are other ways to converge social activities and career,
    such as having 1:1 meetings with your manager by taking a walk around the
    company’s premises. Again, it comes down to how much a person is committed to
    pursue convergence.

  • ignatius epriladinata

    I really like your article
    because it gives me an idea how to converge something that people don’t like
    become something that most people would enjoy. It will definitely make you
    enjoy your life and live to the fullest because you will eager to start your
    day. Try to think in this way, if you work for something that you do not enjoy,
    then how come that you can work productively and efficiently? Therefore, try to
    converge something that you do not like to be something that you would really

  • nornesa

    I struggle with balance everyday usually accomplishing
    too much work and not enough rest or play.
    I think it’s wonderful for people to think outside the box and figure
    out ways to incorporate balance by combining activities, and being in a
    place where one is allowed that flexibility – sounds fabulous to me. Yet, I prefer to
    keep my work and play in separate camps because I like to compartmentalize things
    so that I can do my best work possible and relax without the thought of work creeping in. However, fun is an important and necessary element in the workplace because it drives creativity, efficiency and the desire to do great work. It’s ironic …I’m not sure where to find that balance if I require fun in the workplace but want to keep work out of my fun. I’m intrigued more and more by the message in Daniel’s post. Thanks for helping me to think more about this idea.

  • jsuuu

    It is hard for me to enjoy my current work as an accounting student. You have made a good point. I should consider what I would like to do in the future and what kind of career I would like to step into. Therefore I will be able to energize myself.

  • Alex Szlamas

    Absolutely. Convergence is a far better proposition for life than the simplicity of attempting to strike balance. One should never settle, and the example you offer of walking the dog while holding a meeting on the phone is an excellent insight.

  • Hairong Zheng

    Thank your for this great post. I totally agree that people should not separate hours with such a crude and simple way, 8 hours by 8 hours. Sometimes our entertainment, social activities and works are all mixed together. We talk when we are in our office with our colleagues, and we have some fun during working. I think it is more important to do our job, take our rest, enjoy ourselves and just enjoying everything we are doing. Do not think too much.

  • Dinglin Wu

    Someone once told me that life only goes by fast if you keep it routine. You can enjoy it more when you try new things and keep it interesting. I found this point resonated with the article. Thanks for the insightful article!

  • Keiichi

    Work is one of the most important duty for human to live in this society. everyone has to have passion for their own job and keep challenging what they want to do.

  • duongh1

    Perhaps Daniel is one of a few people who can do many different things at once. if you are one of those people, it’s best to pursue convergence. If not, then a balanced life is the way to go

  • Anthony Putra

    This is a very good article discussing the most basic time management in our daily lives. I think if we divide our days equally per day. Our life would not be interesting to live, because you will know when everything is supposed to happen on every part of the day.

    In my opinion we should embrace randomness and a bit of chaos, because some days we need to spend it all on work according to the needs and play according to the opportunities

  • katie yanke

    Daniel, Thank you for the article and I am jealous that you
    have a job that you can do while hiking. I am graduating from college soon and
    more than anything I want a job that I enjoy. Sadly finding something that I enjoy
    that much is probably easier said than done. Hopefully I can be as lucky as you
    and enjoy my career and the people I get to work with. Thank you!

  • Max Rude

    I think you hit the nail right on the head. Why not have work and play be the same. If you are surrounded by the things you love to do, what’s wrong with that? The saying if you do something you love you will never work a day in your life comes to mind after reading this.

  • Morgan Dowd

    Max, I definitely agree. Unfortunately, in today’s society, there is pressure to find the ultimate dream job where happiness is going to work. I definitely have this fear of not finding the right place/job/career etc. What does this pressure say about today’s education system if we instill in future generations that they need to find their dream job or they won’t be happy?

  • strakaJA01

    This article really makes me think….make me think about how I am living my life and how I want to live my life. I really like the overall point of this article, but I would argue that there are many different levels to convergence and that convergence is not for everyone. For example, if I were to hike while taking my work calls, I think it would mess up my organizational structure. But if I were to take my personal calls while hiking, I think it would enhance my experience. So I think that convergence is for me in some parts of my life, but not others. I also feel like convergence is a natural gift that some individuals have, and others strive to have it. If I were to meet Daniel in person, I think it would be fascinating to discuss how he runs his day to day life.

  • benbl

    I believe in convergence in work. I have been
    in school and working as an intern in many companies but never found the right
    place. Since childhood I wanted to do something that will involve food, and I
    did it. I might have worked more than before to be able to pursue my dreams but
    I never feel more passionate and happy about my everyday experiences.

  • Brandon

    This make you take a minute and think about what career you really want to go into but i have a passion for exercising the pass couple years. Sometime always want a job that is always have more money than what they really love doing instead. Convergence over balance i totally agree with the other people its important to do that in our lives. Thanks for excellent article!!

  • Jake Eckhardt

    I thought the article was great and the thought of convergence is very appealing. The part that stuck out to me the most was doing something that energizes you while you work. I think this is extremely important because I know a lot of people that just get totally drained at work and then want to do nothing but sit around at home. Not only is that detrimental to your health, but it can also have negative effects on family relationships. It’s impossible to give a 100% effort to your wife and kids at home if you come back from work tired and crabby. I hope to find a job that energizes me in the way that you described.

  • schrammjm26

    I completely agree with this article, you should love what you do or stop doing it! A mentor of mine once said “When you get up everyday you should say I get to go to work, not I got to go to work” I believe that work and play should be somewhat intertwined with one another. Be passionate about what you do, make sure that it has meaning to you and you feel like your making a difference, something you can be proud of! Nobody says its required for you to hate your job! I know my life in college is normally 12 days of work on school work and in organizations on average but its with people I enjoy being with and doing work that I enjoy doing! I’m extremely satisfied with my life thus far because I believe I have found that happy balance and I know that everyone is capable of finding their balance!

  • DrivenbySuccess

    Now that I have read this article, I will preach to everyone that I can on how converging can help with balancing life. I have never thought about it but I have been converging for some time now and it has helped me get through the overloads that I enjoy in a day. At first, I would compartmentalize things and take care of them one by one until I was forced to do things at once and it simply felt good to do them both and open up more time somewhere else! Ofcourse I was not hiking in the mountains and all of that but I was feeling great. Now, is there a “going over board” on converging? If so, how do you think?

  • hanj5

    Very interesting article Daniel. Your example is a great example of converging what you enjoy and with what you need to do.

  • Austin Dorman

    This is a very inspiring article. I like the idea that you are presenting. I am already trying to work out ways to incorporate some of my play time into my work time. But I am a little curious if you have had problem with either your work quality or the quality of your free time when converging them? I really enjoy hiking as well, but I feel if I was making work calls or thinking about work while hiking that that would take away from the experience. I go hiking or fishing to get away from my work problems. Just wondering how well you have been able to balance these tasks.

  • mollymorrisey

    While I think phoning clients and hiking Boulder sounds like a great work day, working outside of the office is a luxury that many people may not have. I admire the effort of certain companies to encourage non-traditional business practices like taking walks at work or walking meetings to break up the monotony of being in an office.

  • treehugger90

    I love your articles! Truly inspirational, they always make me think about my own life! Right now, I am a group fitness instructor and I love my job because I get to work with people and show them how to live a healthier life. I agree that convergence into a job makes life so much better!

  • LaurenSE

    This is a great article and an inspiring why to combine what you love to do and what you might need to do. I am a personal trainer, and I know it doesn’t sound like much, but I love to be physically active, I love to help others feel better about themselves and become healthier, and I love to meet new people and socialize. Training works for me! It combines so many of the things I love to do, it is a convergence for me. Once it gets warmer out, and I can take clients outside again, that will be the ultimate convergence.
    One concern I had while thinking about convergence for others, not necessarily myself, is what if everything you love and everything you do, doesn’t provide any income? Sure, you’ll be happy doing what you’re doing, but that won’t always pay the bills unfortunately. Can you find away to develop an income that provides enough, while still converging?

  • aulm92

    This article is very inspiring, so many people choose career paths simply because they can make a lot of money or just because they need a job. Doing something that you are passionate about, love doing and are good at would make life and work much more rewarding. If you are able to find that special job or passion, it will seem as though work and play are one in the same and create more of an opportunity to really impact others lives.

  • jkailing

    I like this article, I think that its telling people not to
    just settle for what they know they can have. I think striving to be the
    greatest at what you do is an important thing, it means that you’re always
    trying to improve and get better at your career. I also think that it’s
    important to try into incorporate things you love into your job, the example of
    having meetings on the phone while hiking is a good one. This will bring some
    happiness to your working life and making it easier. One question that I would
    have to ask the writer is what if the career path that you love isn’t financially
    stable for you?

  • Kobajr18

    This article hits on a great topic that you should never settle for something in life, especially in your job. I don’t exactly agree that you should strive to work with the best rather than doing something you love. If you truly enjoy your job and the people you work with it’s ok to “settle” with what you already have. Settling is an almost degrading term when it’s used like this and I feel that when you find your niche you should stick with it.

  • Kobajr18

    I agree completely. No matter how much you love your job it could be ruined if you work with people that you do not enjoy being around. Working with people you enjoy being around can make your job much better.

  • Kobajr18

    I agree. I feel that finding the job in this article may just be impossible but striving for the perfection is the important part. Sometimes it’s all about the process.

  • Luke Drumel

    I couldn’t said it any better myself, life is all about adventures and taking chances to what makes you happy. If I can one day combine work and play I will be able to tell myself I’ve made it. I agree that if work and play are converged the ultimate source of personal peace is going to be a reality for the rest of your life.

  • Zach Perkins

    That sure would be nice. I think there are so many great points this article makes about outlook and not settling. I think many undergraduate students should read this article. For me personally, I would find it very difficult to combine work and personal life because of the nature of my career choice. However, I still do agree that I can make my career choice on in which I do all I can to enjoy and reach my full potential in it.

  • Kevin Weber

    Too many people go through life on a set schedule. They get a degree and go off in to a career that pays well but they don’t have the passion for. For me I love to be active, so choosing a career in the health field is right up my alley. I have a passion for staying active and helping others achieve a better quality of life. So my hope is that my future career is not seen as work, but as a passion I look forward to doing each day I wake up. Never settle because you think something is unreachable. Go for it and you will see changes. Thanks for posting this article!

  • vitalecm03

    This is a very interesting way to look at life and how to balance it the right way. No one should ever settle for less. Everyone should strive to make the most out of your life that is different and not how every one else does it. This makes me wonder if what I’m going to school for the right thing but with faith and believing in myself I know I can make a living and be different while doing it.

  • Leahrebout

    That sounds like the perfect life! Being at the point in college right now where its time to pick a major and decide what I want to do for the rest of my life, This advice comes at the perfect time. Unfortunately, it is so hard to find a career that holds all of the characteristics described. How could people make this not so easier said than done? Thank you for sharing!

  • Sajwanih

    I like the ideas within article in theory, my only issue
    with this is that it breaks down somewhat when you enter a labor system that
    forces you to make quick decisions about deep questions, like who you are, and
    what you want to do for a living while simultaneously requiring you to make a
    living. Especially in an environment that consists of things like inflated healthcare
    costs, student loans, and a complete lack of a safety net for those who are
    unable to keep their heads above the water. I think that though you have been
    lucky enough to find a career path that supports both your happiness and your
    lifestyle; many other people struggle constantly to do the same thing with no
    success and possibly even irreversibly deleterious results. I think what really
    needs to change here are the priorities of the system itself, not just of the
    people who make up that system.

  • Tammy Hartmann

    Thank you, Daniel. I love how you used the picture. You stated, “Rather than taking these meetings indoors and in an office, I take them while hiking in the foothills of Boulder, with my dog at my side and the Colorado sunshine on my face…” I so envy this, because this is something I would love to do. However, it’s difficult to do this because I would have to hold the iPhone while signing at the same time, which would make for a lot of motion in the background. So I would have to find other solutions.

  • JeremyWahl

    This is a good article. Life is too short to settle for the minimum. I totally agree that you should find a career that you love and not only look at the money that it makes. I made that mistake while looking at majors for my undergrad and it set me back a little bit because i wasnt happy. Once I stepped back I found what i love, even though it doesnt make the most money, I know i will be happy with what I am doing.

  • Nathan

    Thanks! No one should just settle for something, if you want something then go get it. If you can pursue things in life it can bring you so much happiness. I ultimate goal is for people to go to work and still be able to have fun. How can we pass this message on?

  • Jessica White

    Excellent way of thinking. I still think you are balancing your life with your job but just in a different way. People see balancing as putting things on an old scale where one thing is heavier than the other. It doesn’t always have to be seen that way. When you take your meetings by phone while you are hiking, you are still taking time for yourself but also working. Isn’t that balancing what what you love to do with work? You even said that the meeting can energize you, helping you hike further. Sounds like a healthy balance to me!

  • Amanda Wood

    In today’s society it is hard for an individual not to just “settle” on something. We all tend to settle so we don’t get pushed down or worst of all, hurt. But what is the purpose of that? Aren’t we supposed to fall down so we can understand the feeling of getting up?

  • Aarynn Bosshart

    That is seriously awesome that you get to hike in the mountains while you are “working.” I love your idea of convergence. As you have explained, our work lives do not need to be completely separate from the rest of our lives. I have decided to be a physical education teacher so that I can combine my love for children, my love for exercise, my love for teaching, and my love for comfortable clothing all into one! Am I going to be making boatloads of money doing it, no. However, I will make a living and have fun at the same time!

  • CoachDavis24

    Thanks for this great article. That is why I think it is really important to love your job. Being in a dead end job is draining. You get little pleasure and sense of fulfillment at these jobs. Get an education and get into a career that you can be proud of. Now Daniel, not everyone can take take conference call while in the mountains. Not everyone can just go for a hike in the middle of the day. Most people have bosses that are a little more restrictive than that.

  • hirthjp18

    What a creative way to take your meetings and that’s something I want to try implementing in my own work. It shows how you make the best out of everything and there always something to enjoy. I think people need to hear to never settle. You should always be striving to better and grow your life.

  • Steffiheuer

    Thank you for your article. I do agree that it is better to do something you love than settling in life. I think life is too short to settle. My dad always calls me and tells me things like,” If you really enjoy chemistry, change majors. or If that makes you happy do it.” I find this very helpful and supportive. This article made me think of this and how important it is to be happy with your life.

  • Steffiheuer

    Thank you for sharing! I do believe that being happy with your environment and people are very important when it comes to your career. I would enjoy my job more if I were with people that are supportive and had the same goals as myself. I like support and working together. I would also like my job more if others were just as passionate about it as myself.

  • This is yet another amazing article sir. Convergence over balance sounds like the way to go. In weight lifting, this would be considered a super-set or a circuit. I never really thought about applying super-sets to my everyday life. I’ve worked while at work before or worked on friendships while working on my relationship, but not much more than that. I will need to reflect on my daily activities and challenge myself to a fair game of “Converge or Purge”…….I like that. 🙂

  • Kelly Martin

    This article is wonderful. It puts so many things into perspective, especially your own future. Thank you for writing this!

  • Caroleigh Perkins

    I would love a career where I get to work and walk my dog at the same time. I like the spin on the way we think of a balanced life that you are expressing here. It’s an inspiring new way of thinking and I hope it catches on.

  • Tawni Meyer

    I think the point was made is wonderful! I think people should do something they love. Its hard to find the balance to be financially stable and do something you love1

  • DuchAM21

    This blog post brings up a lot of great points. Sometimes we get so wrapped up in work, that we make excuses that we are so busy cooped up inside, we cannot get out and enjoy the world. Epsitein is very fortunate that he is able to get out and work while enjoying the outdoors. As this is not possible for a lot of people, there are simple things that can be done to peruse convergence. This blog post made me think of the quote “If you love your job, you will never work a day in your life”.

  • JeremyWahl

    this is great and i agree you should never settle for what is the ordinary. if you stay true to who you are, you will be happier in the long run. i always hear keep work at work but if you like what you are working on, work also becomes play time.

  • Skalahe13

    i think this is such a relevant post. Many people choose their career for the money and are not always happy with their lives. If money was not involved i think people would choose much different jobs than the ones they settle for. I absolutely agree that people shouldn’t settle and instead do a job they are passionate about and they will find themselves much happier with their lives.

  • Ashley Gardner

    I agree with you! I am graduating college in two months and I want to find something that gives meaning to my life and interest me. They say then you will never work a day in your life. To have my work life and personal life be the same would make life a lot less stressful and easier to balance.

  • Michellelele123

    I really liked this article. I’m a college student with an unclear path of my future and the points in this article are something to keep in mind when I’m deciding my future goals and career

  • Ashley Gardner

    I couldn’t agree more with you! People are always settling these days and that always leads to an unhappy life style. The sad thing is that with how society works today, settling is almost innevitable. It would totally be the ultimate source of personal peace! I love how you worded that.

  • catec18

    I like the idea that this blog brings up especially since it is so different from other balancing ideas. I feel like a lot of posts talk about the fresh start and building up from there or taking things one at a time. But this post is more about keeping the same amount of things and doing more than one at a time but in a discrete way. Although this is a cool idea, I know at least I would have a tough time with it. For example, when the author talked about taking phone calls while on a walk with his dog. I think that sounds very nice, and I would be up for it if it was a casual conversation, but if I can’t write notes during an important phone call, I know I will forget something that is very valuable.

  • Julia

    Great article! To have a career that allows you to hike with your dog during phone calls is beyond fantastic. It’s a great way to enjoy life, spend time with loved ones, and embracing the world around us… while making money. I have a passion for children and hope to be a physical education teacher after college. I don’t think I’ll be able to do the same thing, but I can probably switch things up and take the students outside for a bit for some fresh air. Not only will they love it, but I will enjoy it as well. Everyone can find a way to make their career or job more enjoyable as long as they allow themselves to have fun with it.

  • CPanella1

    Work hard play harder is the motto my boss loves to use. We have to get our work done, but if we can fun while doing so is there any harm done? Don’t settle for something that makes you unhappy or stay in an unhappy situation. Everyone may have their own way of finding their own personal peace, so there is no magic way to say how to achieve it. But I will say if you settle for less than you deserve or don’t reach out to get more, then I’m not sure how you will ever be truly genuinely happy.

  • CPanella1

    I agree because I have had 2 jobs I loved the people around me that became a family to me. I had to choose between the two for time sake and it was heart breaking leaving that job. But it made me realize how lucky I am to be heart broken while quitting a job rather than quitting because I hated it and celebrating on my last day that I never have to return. I hope to never be in a situation like that.

  • Desiree

    i like how it explained reasons why someone shouldn’t just settle because people shouldn’t just let things with the flow sometimes you got to make your own in order to be happy with life and be happy with people around you.

  • Tyler Hebert

    I do like the concept of finding convergence over balance, but I still think that balancing out your day is very important. Yes, I am really big into doing what you love over doing something you hate for more money. Just like another article I read, I believe doing something that you love will give you energy if you love it so working and converging that with something else can really make someone a lot less stressed out and a happier person all together.

  • Radaya123

    I am confused. What was the point? I thought finding a balance or learning how to balancing whatever comes your way leads to convergence. Maybe I’m not understanding the vocabulary clear enough.

  • Radaya123

    So not settling was the message? We are to not be content in our success?

  • Jpl89

    This is a very interesting way to view the development of someone’s life. I appreciate this sort of ideology because it helps me put things into a better perspective. It’s easy to get aught up in a structured “balanced life” but it can get tiring. Convergence would seem to be less exhausting

  • Karl Bolinger

    Consciously aware of wanting balance in my own life I was drawn this article. I have attempted numerous times to find balance and maintain balance. This article in some ways validates the direction in which I am heading. Lately, due to my current career role, I have found myself converging my life. Work and social are one or both are benevolently impacting the other. The practices I am learning such as deductive reasoning, communication skills, and people skills are helping me to develop into a better person for myself, my family and my society. However, I have found that without the right attitude or approach convergence or balance can’t be made. So for me I am learning how to maintain this. Not everyone has a career where they can take a galvanizing hike while on a conference call. Most of are hard line in an office or location and don’t have the luxury to converge our lives in that way. Those whom I have met who are striving to be the best or are among the best don’t have that luxury to converge in that manner. Also, with flexibility he is providing comes after some considerable amount of time has been spent and experience gained. What does convergence look like in a layman lifestyle. I do understand where Epstein is going and that he inspires readers to reevaluate the direction or station in life yet what are some practicals of convergence for those who don’t have a flexible career. Maybe, providing an assessment to assist in developing a convergence lifestyle. Some questions need to be considered such as ‘Is it possible to converge my lifestyle at this time if so how and if not then when?” or “What is needed to have a convergence lifestyle: flexible career, purpose, attitude…?”